Giving search mode Sense

[mondmann]

Is it just me or are there others who are disappointed about the fact that the Search mode which by the way I think is genius, does not make any sense anymore?
In earlier versions you could complete the digidex and collect pictures (which many didn't like). So I scanned code after code to get new digimon in the digidex. Also this way I could check what monster I just fought. Now you can only hope to recognize the low detail sprite.
I think they need to make some kind of reward system. Some reason, some motivation to use the Search mode. And something that shows you what monster you just fought.

[LazyBee]

I'm going to assume by "some motivation" you're excluding the fact search battles help with evolution, assist with getting 100% Champion status, and the odd satisfaction you get when picking a fight with a bottle of maple syrup at the grocery store. excluding all those facts, then yes I too wish for more reasons to use the search function.

[50 Shades of Greymon]

Apr 19, 2015 0:01:04 GMT -5 LazyBee said:

the odd satisfaction you get when picking a fight with a bottle of maple syrup at the grocery store

I laughed way harder then I should have oh my go d (I feel it though, theres this one rabbit decoration thats crazy strong on my bookshelf... haven't beaten it yet)

I keep hearing so many good things about the 1.5 Digidex :'0 I started out on 1.2 so I have no experience with it but it sounds like an integral part of the game. Since 1.2 is a beta version, and only has half the eggs, chances are if it keeps growing we will see a Digidex and the old scanning features after all the Digimon are on the system~

[LazyBee]

Apr 19, 2015 13:22:34 GMT -5 50 Shades of Greymon said:

Apr 19, 2015 0:01:04 GMT -5 LazyBee said:

the odd satisfaction you get when picking a fight with a bottle of maple syrup at the grocery store

I laughed way harder then I should have oh my go d (I feel it though, theres this one rabbit decoration thats crazy strong on my bookshelf... haven't beaten it yet)

I keep hearing so many good things about the 1.5 Digidex :'0 I started out on 1.2 so I have no experience with it but it sounds like an integral part of the game. Since 1.2 is a beta version, and only has half the eggs, chances are if it keeps growing we will see a Digidex and the old scanning features after all the Digimon are on the system~

This guy gets it! (love that name pun btw) My favorite so far was when I took my grandfather to a fish and game place to renew his license and I scanned the QR code some fish hatchery left out and fought a Seadramon. My digital life is way cooler then my real one haha. I personally spent way too much time indoors memorizing the LCD sprites, background sheets, eggs, evolution charts and what not..(I used to be Staff for the File Island wtw-x.net page) So I never spent much time fighting to fill a digidex, but I can definitely see where its important now with all the updated sprites (my years of memorization gone to waste once again) I really hated the fact in 1.56 it saved the random images and took up extra space on my phone, so i hope they dont do that again, but some kind of digidex in the app would be cool. 

[Axi Whatevermon]

search is the way to raise ur win % and thats a lot regarding evo chances....IF u wanna get ur win% by playing on server u are nuts.

[HAL9001]

I'm picking a fight with a bag of Doritos.

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[mondmann]

Yeah.. I didn't mention this because I thought it should be obvious...

I know you use search for the battles you need for the evolution. But this is not a fun part of the game, it's just an inevitable thing you have to do. The fact that this function allows you to do something you HAVE to do is not anything positive or motivational.
I know some ppl didn't like the pictures and i'm sure there is something else they could implement, that doesn't take so much space on the phone.
What i am talking about is making the Search function something fun or at least useful (except of the fact that you HAVE to do it for evolution). Even getting some AP out of it would be one good step. Some kind of collecting anything or some different kind of Reward or accomplishement you can actually see even after the fight would be cool.
Even just a List of the Monsters you have fought would be something. It doesn't even have to be something big or complicated.

And by the way, why I find the Search function so genius:
Digimon are digital Data. Barcodes are the possibility to use digital Data in form of a picture. Modern devices can read those codes to unlock the hidden digital Data. This makes just so much sense!

[blaziken662]

Apr 20, 2015 13:12:09 GMT -5 mondmann said:

I know you use search for the battles you need for the evolution. But this is not a fun part of the game, it's just an inevitable thing you have to do. The fact that this function allows you to do something you HAVE to do is not anything positive or motivational.

Well... you don't HAVE or NEED to use the Search function at all if you:

a) Battle online only versus your friends/weak second device. (This is possible thanks to the Password feature).
b) Train really hard and go slam some noobs at the server (you should be wise enough to know how you pick your figths)
c) Jogres.

Maybe it'll get boring pretty soon, specially if your Digi is strong enough, but those moments where you can't beat the code in a plush label are priceless.

Good luck!

[mondmann]

...you guys don't seem to get the point. I know how the game works. I know there are different ways to evolve. But that is not the point.
The point is that it is just not entertaining. Whether you win or lose...since it is only a matter of training..yyou don't really participate in the fight. Just shake your phone and hope for the best.
Well...that's all there is about it.
And you all know it. So I would rather like to hear some ideas of how it could become the cool feature it deserves to be.
And maybe there is even a way to let the creators know about these ideas

[LazyBee]

The battle mechanics would (and should) need to be completely changed in order to give the search function much extra use beyond using it to assist in evolution. It's ultimately a moot point, we would need a total overhaul of the game wich i don't forsee happening. Who wants to undo years of work? The system needs to not put so much emphasis on trainings alone. It should be based on age, level, and combined with a battle system similar to the card game, where you essentially are playing a game of rock paper scissors. One attack trumps the other, but if one digi is older than the other, perhaps when the same attacks meet, instead of canceling each other out the older digi's attack breaks through. Resign training's to just evolution requirement, and make evolving 10% harder, maybe even stretch out the time it takes to evolve. An involved system like this would make hacking near obsolete, or at least doesnt make it such a viable option for winning anymore. Once all of that is in place, you can make a few adjustments to Search, such as updating a server based digidex, practice fighting, maybe gain money to use in the eventual shop, or perhaps have it set so 1 in every 20 battles drops some sort of exclusive set of items.

[(retired)]

Apr 21, 2015 12:39:15 GMT -5 mondmann said:

you don't really participate in the fight. Just shake your phone and hope for the best.

I just totally agree with u on this. And this allows auto battle as well, as long as the dg is strong enough to dodge anybody's attack.

It will be much better that there'll be some ways to input command and boost the dg's base power during the battle, one of them I've thought of is the Card Slash system. Yet I am still thinking a way to make Macro not working in these command inputting ways...

[mondmann]

Well Lazybee, i think this is maybe a bit much. I mean yes there are so many things you could do, but this would be an entire new game. I mean there should be something, that could actually really be something the creators of the game could come up with within weeks or maybe 1-2 Months. Just a little extra so you have something to use the search function for. To get some fun out of it.
If the fight system would be possible to become something this big...well I would like it to be like smash bros xD so it's more about skill than training. But no, I am talking about just a little extra for the search mode.
If it was about changing the game in a big way, the first thing I would do is use more detailed Sprites, so you can really recognize every monster. For Expample as in the Sega Saturn digimon game. Or at least as detailed as in the New digivice. And with color.

[LazyBee]

Apr 22, 2015 10:26:18 GMT -5 mondmann said:

Well Lazybee, i think this is maybe a bit much. I mean yes there are so many things you could do, but this would be an entire new game. I mean there should be something, that could actually really be something the creators of the game could come up with within weeks or maybe 1-2 Months. Just a little extra so you have something to use the search function for. To get some fun out of it.
If the fight system would be possible to become something this big...well I would like it to be like smash bros xD so it's more about skill than training. But no, I am talking about just a little extra for the search mode.
If it was about changing the game in a big way, the first thing I would do is use more detailed Sprites, so you can really recognize every monster. For Expample as in the Sega Saturn digimon game. Or at least as detailed as in the New digivice. And with color.

Well that's what I mean when I say it's ultimately a moot point. The only options to make the game better are major changes, that would alter the game itself. As is stands now, the game is a grind fest broken up with bits where you "shake and hope for the best." The overall solution to the problem is handing back battle control to the Tamer. Like Rhivana mentioned with the card slashes from the old D-power/D-arcs. I was suggesting 3 attack animations, (since the info window already lists them having 2 attacks) A attack, B attack, and C attack. A beats B, B beats C, C beats A. 2 attacks of the same type AA cancel each other. If one is older or a higher level, you can break through the cancel. Simple as that. The tamer inputting the attack commands feels involved, there's no macro that can really help a game of rock-paper-scissors, no train/power hack to give you an advantage. The game then would be accessible to any and all new comers, which attracts more people, there's not this HUGE gap between the beginner and top leader board tamer. With this sort of battle system in place it opens up more options for the Search function. Such as turning it into the adventure mode Bul was talking about before. you could then tie that into evolution requirements; "you have to have x number of training, x battles, and have retrieved the tag and crest item from the Search battles to get ultimate"

[mondmann]

No...why?
My example was the completion of the digidex or the collection of Pictures.
This is not a minor change which would alter the game itself. It is just a little goodie. That's all i want. Something like that.

[LazyBee]

You yourself said ["The point is that it is just not entertaining. Whether you win or lose...since it is only a matter of training..yyou don't really participate in the fight. Just shake your phone and hope for the best.
Well...that's all there is about it."] You want to add "and also collect pictures" That has no effect on the game or give anyone a real reason to choose "search" over normal battle. the options become "Do I scan barcodes, and collect stock digimon images from wikimon.net or do I jump on the server and raise my rank?" Either way you're still just shaking and hoping for the best, but with the image collecting, the app isnt giving anything unique to you. I can google image search the images if I want to, I dont need the app to collect them for me as I scan them. The only way to make Search a fun and unique experience involves tweaking the rest of the game, specifically battle imo. If all you're looking for is ideas on how to "improve" the motivation of the search function in its current state/version... I don't think you can. It serves it's function, assisting in evolution. It'd be like asking for ideas to change the Toilet function. It washes away poop. Anything else it does is fluff unless you change mechanics, adding in a "dirty" meter that effects your partner's strength when it's too high.