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Post by (retired) on Feb 13, 2015 21:44:47 GMT -5
what are you talking about, its easy to hack pokemon as well. the only way to make it 100% cheat proof would be to have the game state run on the server and make the client only receive data. I actually have no idea at all when you guys are talking about Pokemon games... As I mentioned somewhere else, making the game server-based is what Bulzipke is going to do. But this game is not worth to play online IMHO...
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Post by thetruth on Feb 13, 2015 22:16:48 GMT -5
I know I'm gonna probably catch flack for this, but while we're on the subject of Pokemon and cheating.
Pokemon is owned by one of the biggest gaming companies in the world, and despite that their are still people who hack and cheat in that game. Sure Game Freak will patch it up, but you give it a few months and someone will have found another way to cheat. I guess the current thing with Pokemon now is something called "Browser injection". From what little I know it's basically adding in hacked Pokemon with illegal moves, and abilities. As of now, people can do this. In time Nintendo will fix this problem, but give it time and something else will be found or cooked up something to mess with the game.
Now what does this have to do with DU? I understand Bulzipke wants this game to be cheat free. I think we all do, but he is only one guy, as appose to Nintendo, a huge company. If they can't come up with a permanent solution to keep people from messing with their game. Then how can he on his own? It isn't just Pokemon and Nintendo. It's everywhere with online gaming. No matter what you have set up now, someones gonna find an exploit, program or something later on, and use it to give them an edge. It's going to happen eventually.
I applaud Bulzipke's devotion to this project, but he and everyone else needs to realize:
1. There will always be people who are going to find a way to cheat.
2. It's just a game. It's an application based on a piece of 90's pop culture.
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Post by Ras Yahni on Feb 13, 2015 22:53:51 GMT -5
It's just a game. It's an application based on a piece of 90's pop culture. This, sir, is over the line.
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Post by HAL9001 on Feb 14, 2015 12:24:02 GMT -5
Easy way to make the cheaters not a problem out at least not much of one.
In the jogress server we have the option to deny people trying to jogress with us. Just put that function into the battle room and we can choose who we battle with. If they are somebody known for cheating we don't have to battle them. This will also make tournaments far easier. I'm not saying it will totally eliminate cheating but it is a simple fix for an aggravating problem. Couple that with the fact that we will probably have to pay for the full version at some point and whatever anti cheat programs he intends to use I think we will have a very comfortable Digimoning experience.;D
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Post by (retired) on Feb 14, 2015 13:05:47 GMT -5
To put it in other words: if we can't eliminate the problem, we can minimize its effect still. Just like we can't stop natural hazard like earthquake to happen, but we can reduce the casualty.
...But Bulzipke probably don't really realize that. This is the reason why I said he's stubborn.
And actually I only paid minimal efford to 'find' how to cheat different versions of DU. The method is practically the same from versions to versions.
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Post by Apollo13 on Feb 15, 2015 4:07:35 GMT -5
thats suck ,only 1 divice
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Post by Ras Yahni on Feb 16, 2015 10:02:57 GMT -5
Yeah I'm just training on 1.56 again, I'll be on that server til it's bitter end. On a positive note, MetalGreymon evolved last night.
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Post by blaziken662 on Feb 16, 2015 10:47:29 GMT -5
what are you talking about, its easy to hack pokemon as well. the only way to make it 100% cheat proof would be to have the game state run on the server and make the client only receive data. My apologies if I wasn't clear in my previous post but my intention was never to say that DU's data must be "transformed" into Pokemon-like data to protect it from hackers. What I meant was that the app's data is ALREADY like Pokemon data (well, at least the way it stores save data I guess) and if I invited anyone of you to check it wasn't to try to emulate it, but to analyze it to PROPOSE a new way to store save data. I know that you share the point of view of the dev and keep saying that the "safest" way is to store save data into a server, but there are a lot of people that want to play this game anywhere and without restrictions, so the requirement of an Internet connection to play is more a burden than a smoothless fix, also it would mean that if the server goes down then your data would be also gone! Is that fair? If the online "fix" is really the "only" solution (that's why I would like to encourage the debate here) then maybe it would be nice to keep our data into the device locally but have a "mirror" of our data into the server, and just when the user connects into it to battle or jogres then a data check is preformed, if the info matches then the user will enter into the server, but if it fails then the data gets corrupted or erased and therefore the access is forbidden. But even with that kind of checks the user must keep the rigth to preserve his/her data, and if the user doesn't use the server to battle or jogres then he/she could use his/her data the way he/she likes! If the hackers can be contained to act locally then it wouldn't matter if they hack or not! Remember that almost every discovery made in this community required at least the use of TiBu or other things considered "illegal". An apology for the text wall and if I made mamemon (ノಠ益ಠ)ノ upset, it wasn't my intention. Good luck!
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Post by (retired) on Feb 24, 2015 15:52:52 GMT -5
Probably you guys have to debate with him. Bulzipke explained to me why he think making DU server-based is better.
'DU must based on server side game cause that is only way for protect to cheat. And that way need more useless battery require. Client will not have to calculate Digimon's activity. Server will push message if digimon need care. And every data save on server, this make change device with keep data, will not happen roll-back bug too.
I think server side game have many merit more than client side.'
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And a little bit more news on Adventure Mode and protection from Game Killer. 'About Bemmon and Locomon, I'll make them can meet on adventure mode thing. Also boss digimon tree need more special way to get, ex) Bemmon, Chronomon, etc.. Thanks for your cheat youtube. I know where to fix. But not type, dp, ability to battle/jogres, totalevolution time. This makes game to slow. I'll protect change digimon.'
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Post by Cyclone on Feb 24, 2015 20:51:21 GMT -5
So let's say bulzipke found a way for no hackers, it's on Google play store, and its all happy and fun in the digital world, wouldn't Bandai come back like an angry kuwagamon and get rid of the game for the copyright issues?
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Post by bigdogmc on Feb 24, 2015 21:04:57 GMT -5
So can anybody tell me how to download this game? The new version?
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Post by geo on Feb 24, 2015 23:08:29 GMT -5
So let's say bulzipke found a way for no hackers, it's on Google play store, and its all happy and fun in the digital world, wouldn't Bandai come back like an angry kuwagamon and get rid of the game for the copyright issues? Not at all, bulz is using sprites that aren't owned by Bandai, he's not making any money off it etc
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Post by HAL9001 on Feb 24, 2015 23:10:48 GMT -5
You can't yet.
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Post by Pat on Feb 25, 2015 13:33:36 GMT -5
Am I the only one that could take or leave adventure mode?
I get it. It's like the digivices, and some people like that, but honestly I like DU just as a V-pet.
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Post by Pat on Feb 25, 2015 13:49:27 GMT -5
So let's say bulzipke found a way for no hackers, it's on Google play store, and its all happy and fun in the digital world, wouldn't Bandai come back like an angry kuwagamon and get rid of the game for the copyright issues? Sorry for double posting, but heres something I don't get. If Bulzipke wasn't making any money off DU, how could Bandai pull it off the play store? I know they have the rights to the sprites and characters, but he wasn't making a profit off them. It's like if Sega went around removing Sonic fan-fiction, or something.
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